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    BANGKOK 2011 (ATP250), 26/9-2/10: Main thread - information (PTT Thailand Open)

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    david1611

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    Post  david1611 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:02 pm

    Donald Young gets the second set TB so into a third..... pity in terms of seeing Andy, but par for the course!
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    Post  Admin on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:03 pm

    Monfils, in true GEM style, loses the 2nd set 6'7, so we're into a 3rd deciding set.

    This is called Murrays Law - just when you're looking forward to watching Andy the guys in the match before him decide no-one wants to win in a hurry!!!

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    Post  lynne on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:04 pm

    Young won the 2nd set 7-6
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    Post  jeannie13 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:19 pm

    Admin wrote:Monfils, in true GEM style, loses the 2nd set 6'7, so we're into a 3rd deciding set.

    This is called Murrays Law - just when you're looking forward to watching Andy the guys in the match before him decide no-one wants to win in a hurry!!!

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    never mind -it gives us a chance to watch the rugbywith-- Scotland leading at the moment:cheers: cheers
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    Post  Linda on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:46 pm

    supergran wrote:And who is interested in Rafa......this is Andy's forum isn't it?

    Did you post that on the wrong thread, SG? I've looked back and can't see any discussion of Rafa on this thread - but there is a very interesting discussion on the importance or otherwise of 250s to the top 4 and the rest, to which David has made an excellent contribution with his research and well thought out points.

    And of course many of us are interested in lots of players as well as Andy - it's our passion for tennis generally that got us interested in Andy in the first place!

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    Post  david1611 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:06 pm

    Monfils somehow managed to give the 3rd set tiebreak to Young, including DF on matchpoint and a very strange Hawkeye call the point before in favour of Young!!!!
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    Post  Admin on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:09 pm

    Donald Young beats Gael Monfils to reach the Final in Bangkok - where I hope he loses to Muzzah!!!
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    Post  Linda on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:09 pm

    Well, a most unsatisfactory finish and what a surprise for Young to emerge the winner. I wonder how it would have turned out if they'd had to play proper games to finish the match.

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    Post  harriet on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:18 pm

    hi david, excellent analysis of dominance of the top 4.
    was watching the monfils-young game
    or bambi v troosers in this part of the world.
    credit to troosers, agressive, really good net play, held his nerve, came back from 1-4 in third set, was behind in tb, bambi dfed last point, but great win for donald, will be a handful in final
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    Post  JAMES4578 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:22 pm

    Young really looked in trouble a few times but somehow got the win! Suppose it was a gutsy display though. Andy a bit later than I expected, come on!

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    Post  Alis on Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:55 pm

    david1611 wrote:
    Linda wrote:Interesting post, David. Of course the top players are not interested in 250s, unless they are necessary practice for Slams (as Rafa has said that Queens is for Wimbly). The other interesting thing, for the top players at least, is the 500s. Rafa chose to take a zero pointer last year rather than play 4 500s and he and others may well end up doing the same this year. If they could choose 4 tournaments from either 500s or 250s rather than all from 500s I think that would suit them better, and you might see more top players in 250s.
    Yes, and this reinforces how lucky the Thailand Open is to get a top four player.

    I did some more thinking about this looking at the ranking points and thinking of Master's and GS results this year.

    What I have just realised is, with the top four having occupied the four winners, the eight finalists and 14 of the 16 GS semi final positions this year - = 22 880 points, plus most of the Master's wins and the WTF... a total of over 40 000 points, they have more points THAN THE REST OF THE TOP TWENTY i.e. those ranked 5-20, put together!!!

    Ironically, 250 tournaments, and 500s of course, have become even more important to the top (but not top four) players. At present less than 100 points separate Tsonga, Fish, Monfils and Berdych in 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th places in the rankings - good results in 250 tourneys might be the difference between a WTF place or not (and Shanghai and Paris Masters, with the top four feeling the effects of all those major tourneys, are also potential rich pickings). Roddick is in 14th with less than 2 000 points (remember, that would have been less than a 1000 before they doubled the points system a couple of years ago). The 5-20 have averaged 24.5 tournaments this year. The top four average approx. 500 points per tournament entered, the others less than 100 - five times less!

    To cut a long story short, the top four have established so much clear water between themselves and the rest that 250s are mostly irrelevant to the former, but have paradoxically have made them even more vital for the latter.



    Very interesting post David - it bears out what the pundits have been saying all year - there has never been a dominance of the top 4 in men's tennis as there is at the moment. There doesn't really seem to be anyone likely to break in either. Soderling looked good for a while and Del Potro has had some good showings but lacks consistency and also looks as though he remains very injury prone. It makes you wonder how long this 'top 4' might continue!

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