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    BANGKOK 2011 (ATP250), 26/9-2/10: Main thread - information (PTT Thailand Open)

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    Aussie Andy

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    Post  Aussie Andy on Tue Sep 27, 2011 6:56 pm

    xenon21 wrote:
    Speedy Hawk wrote:Late start in week on Wednesday.

    At least gives him a wee bit more time to acclimatise

    Aye, and some rest.
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    Post  Aussie Andy on Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:28 pm

    Well, Berrer beat Chiudinelli. So it's Murray vs Berrer again.
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    Post  Jan on Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:10 pm

    Aussie Andy wrote:Well, Berrer beat Chiudinelli. So it's Murray vs Berrer again.

    Thanks for the info flower

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    Post  harriet on Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:19 am

    well, lets hear it for gilles simon, a set and a break down, and he has just come back to force a third set.
    he's playing in yen-hsun lu from TPE (?) tipei? formosa?
    sorry y-h lu, i'm so ignorant
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    Post  patmoren on Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:55 am

    Andy finally gets to play tomorrow 13.30 UK time.

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    Post  harriet on Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:21 am

    and gilles simon has finally won thru, after 3 hours . he beat yen-hsun Lu
    6-7, 7-5, 6-4.
    TPE is Chinese Taipei, Taiwan, the island formerly known as Formosa.
    political status of the island is unclear, but it is an industrial powerhouse, Taiwan is an Asian Tiger economically.


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    Post  Katie on Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:33 am

    harriet wrote:and gilles simon has finally won thru, after 3 hours . he beat yen-hsun Lu
    6-7, 7-5, 6-4.
    TPE is Chinese Taipei, Taiwan, the island formerly known as Formosa.
    political status of the island is unclear, but it is an industrial powerhouse, Taiwan is an Asian Tiger economically.
    I always remember Yen-Hsun Lu as he beat Andy at the last Olympics in the first round. He also beat Roddick at Wimbledon last year so on his day he's capable of playing some really good tennis.

    Pleased that Gilles won. According to @SharkoTennis this is the 11th time this year that he's won after being a set down. Impressive - he's definitely a player who you can never count out Smile
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    Post  Admin on Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:58 am

    THURSDAY, 29 SEPTEMBER, 2011

    CENTRE COURT start 12:00 noon
    D Young (USA) vs [4] G Garcia-Lopez (ESP)
    S Giraldo (COL) vs [2] G Monfils (FRA)

    Not Before 7:30 PM
    [1] A Murray (GBR) vs M Berrer (GER)
    [Q] S Bolelli (ITA) vs G Dimitrov (BUL)

    COURT 1 start 12:00 noon

    [1] O Marach (AUT) / A Qureshi (PAK) vs J Murray (GBR) / A Sa (BRA)
    T Kamke (GER) vs [Q] G Soeda (JPN)
    J Brunstrom (SWE) / J Nieminen (FIN) vs [2] J Erlich (ISR) / A Ram (ISR) - Possible court change

    Not Before 3:30 PM
    R Haase (NED) / R Wassen (NED) vs J Cerretani (USA) / P Marx (GER) or [4] P Hanley (AUS) / D Norman (BEL)
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    Post  JAMES4578 on Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:38 am

    Bit of a humdinger for Giles and he could meet Andy in the semis! Taking it one match ast a time though, hope it goes well against Berrer tomorrow!
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    Post  Aussie Andy on Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:11 pm

    Katie wrote:Pleased that Gilles won. According to @SharkoTennis this is the 11th time this year that he's won after being a set down. Impressive - he's definitely a player who you can never count out Smile

    I must confess - Gilles Simon is one of the players whom I support after Andy. I felt so sorry for him this Aussie Open, when battling Federer. He played his heart out, and yet he lost. Plus, Andy Murray always beats him. In other words, a player I can afford to like. Smile
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    Post  Madeline on Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:03 pm

    Aussie Andy wrote:
    Katie wrote:Pleased that Gilles won. According to @SharkoTennis this is the 11th time this year that he's won after being a set down. Impressive - he's definitely a player who you can never count out Smile

    I must confess - Gilles Simon is one of the players whom I support after Andy. I felt so sorry for him this Aussie Open, when battling Federer. He played his heart out, and yet he lost. Plus, Andy Murray always beats him. In other words, a player I can afford to like. Smile

    My sentiments exactly!
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    Post  Admin on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:14 pm

    Ah, bad news for Jamie .........

    [1] O Marach (AUT) / A Qureshi (PAK) def. J Murray (GBR) / A Sa (BRA)
    6'4, 2'6, 10'7

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    Post  Alis on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:48 pm

    That was a pity but they were playing the number 1 seeds so probably not a bad showing for their fairly new partnership.

    Does anyone know of a livestream that is showing Andy's match?
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    Post  Admin on Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:51 am

    SATURDAY, 1 OCTOBER, 2011

    CENTRE COURT start 1:00 pm (7am UK time)

    D Young (USA) vs [2] G Monfils (FRA)
    [1] A Murray (GBR) or G Dimitrov (BUL) vs [3] G Simon (FRA) or M Bachinger (GER)
    [4] P Hanley (AUS) / D Norman (BEL) vs M Kohlmann (GER) / A Waske (GER)

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    Post  david1611 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:54 am

    Quite a coup for the Thailand Open getting Andy to play.
    Top 4 250 events this year:

    1. Nole just Belgrade (for obvious reasons)
    2. Rafa Doha and Queens
    3. Roger Doha
    4. Andy Queens and Thailand

    BTW that was why Estoril was over the moon to get Roger last year, as he decided he wanted more clay court practice before Roland Garros.

    My gut feeling is that the top players are likely to play fewer and fewer 250s, except perhaps the clay court specialists who get most of their points from the surface, so have to play as many tourneys as they can. Would be interested to know what the stats experts would say about this.




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    Post  RoastLamb on Sat Oct 01, 2011 12:54 am

    Oh dear! That's the middle of the night for me. Bummer.

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    Post  Alis on Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:24 am

    The OOP for tomorrow has Andy's match on after Monfils/Young which is scheduled to start at 1.00 p.m. local time. Do you think that would put Andy on at about 9.00 a.m. in Britain?
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    Post  lynne on Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:38 am

    Heck!!!!...Bachinger serving for the first set!!.. and he got it 6-3....who would of thought!
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    Post  lynne on Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:51 am

    Alis wrote:The OOP for tomorrow has Andy's match on after Monfils/Young which is scheduled to start at 1.00 p.m. local time. Do you think that would put Andy on at about 9.00 a.m. in Britain?

    Bangkok are 6 hours ahead of us so at at guess I would think so Alis!! Idea

    Simon 2-1 up in the 2nd!!

    One set all.....

    Better play from Giles...4-1

    Giles won 6-2.....glad it went to a 3rd set!!
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    Post  Linda on Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:36 am

    Interesting post, David. Of course the top players are not interested in 250s, unless they are necessary practice for Slams (as Rafa has said that Queens is for Wimbly). The other interesting thing, for the top players at least, is the 500s. Rafa chose to take a zero pointer last year rather than play 4 500s and he and others may well end up doing the same this year. If they could choose 4 tournaments from either 500s or 250s rather than all from 500s I think that would suit them better, and you might see more top players in 250s.
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    Post  Madeline on Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:19 am

    I think Andy chose to play this 250 for 2 reasons: 1, because he has stated he would like to end the year #3 and another 250 points off the gap between him and Federer would not come amiss, and 2 because he suffers badly from jet-lag when travelling east>west, so fitting in this tournament gradually acclimatises him for the Asian swing.

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    Post  david1611 on Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:07 am

    Linda wrote:Interesting post, David. Of course the top players are not interested in 250s, unless they are necessary practice for Slams (as Rafa has said that Queens is for Wimbly). The other interesting thing, for the top players at least, is the 500s. Rafa chose to take a zero pointer last year rather than play 4 500s and he and others may well end up doing the same this year. If they could choose 4 tournaments from either 500s or 250s rather than all from 500s I think that would suit them better, and you might see more top players in 250s.
    Yes, and this reinforces how lucky the Thailand Open is to get a top four player.

    I did some more thinking about this looking at the ranking points and thinking of Master's and GS results this year.

    What I have just realised is, with the top four having occupied the four winners, the eight finalists and 14 of the 16 GS semi final positions this year - = 22 880 points, plus most of the Master's wins and the WTF... a total of over 40 000 points, they have more points THAN THE REST OF THE TOP TWENTY i.e. those ranked 5-20, put together!!!

    Ironically, 250 tournaments, and 500s of course, have become even more important to the top (but not top four) players. At present less than 100 points separate Tsonga, Fish, Monfils and Berdych in 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th places in the rankings - good results in 250 tourneys might be the difference between a WTF place or not (and Shanghai and Paris Masters, with the top four feeling the effects of all those major tourneys, are also potential rich pickings). Roddick is in 14th with less than 2 000 points (remember, that would have been less than a 1000 before they doubled the points system a couple of years ago). The 5-20 have averaged 24.5 tournaments this year. The top four average approx. 500 points per tournament entered, the others less than 100 - five times less!

    To cut a long story short, the top four have established so much clear water between themselves and the rest that 250s are mostly irrelevant to the former, but have paradoxically have made them even more vital for the latter.


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    Post  supergran on Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:34 pm

    And who is interested in Rafa......this is Andy's forum isn't it?
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    Post  Jane on Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:48 pm

    Best of luck today Andy cheers cheers cheers
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    Post  patmoren on Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:53 pm

    Monfils takes the first 6-4

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